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john actually represents god as embodied in the people on earth who claim to represent him, I used to be a pretty devout catholic, went to catholic school, knew all the words to all the masses, talked to him a lot, since then I have a very different opinion about religious matters, I actually went through a period where I was avidly atheist and rejected all the things I had once believed in, I’ve changed since then too, religion is overshadowed by its manifestation in human organizations, and that is why I gave a human name to god for this, I don’t think anyone can claim to really and truly believe something if they’ve believed it all their lives, if they’ve been taught it from birth, true faith requires doubt, it requires a change and a coming to a point on one’s own, the reality is that there is no proof, there is nothing there to say ‘here I am’ that is not ambiguous in some way, I hear of people who have experiences, but I haven’t, most haven’t, for most of us there is the world and what we can see and a vague sense that there is something out there, or that there isn’t, but the knowledge that it can’t be proven beyond any doubt either way, if it could be proven, faith would be irrelevant because it would all be a matter of fact, but that isn’t how things are, and that weird in between place is where I am now, just open to possibilities, and willing to admit that I don’t know, and that I can’t, and that I would like to believe there is something after this life, but that I have no clue what it is, I think that people who claim to know are lying, but its cool, its understandable, they’re just hoping, and maybe the way they do it is kind of mean and intolerant and false, but they really are just expressing their hope and sharing their faith, and that can be a beautiful thing - god is a word which represents a glimpse of something beyond, or possibly an illusion, but oftentimes a very optimistic and inspiring one, and so, of the other choices (matthew, mark, luke) I felt john was the most appropriate, besides also letting the song's name correspond with a jeremy enigk and a david bowie song (plus, "oh luke" would sound a little ridiculous)

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oh john! remember the way things used to be? and john, it's over: the way i'd take what you say.

so john, just try to understand where i am. no answer, no reason, no way to know or hope.

you look so long and you stop seeing that lies are just hopes that lies are just hopes.

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from no hugging = no learning, released March 1, 2004

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damezumari Tulsa, Oklahoma

the band - started march 2003, from tulsa,OK. and san diego, ca
in its last recorded form:
craig maricle - drums
chris skillern - bass, voice
stephen paul - guitar, voice
eric titterud - guitar, voice
the band has previously included:
doug johnston (drums) and daniel sutliff (bass), who both played on the first three demos,
blake foster (drums), and aaron thornhill (bass) and mike laughlin (drums)
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